I created this thread so that I wouldn't have to continue updating the notice page sitting ontop of my site, and to also allow others to give their thoughts on the situation.
I want you to be aware very early on though: If you post intentional disinformation here I will remove your post immediately. This is not the Nexon NA forums, trolls will not be allowed to derail serious topics.
As a last note before jumping into it, please read the notice on my site first. This post assumes that you have read it (and it was updated with a Jan 29 update at the same time as I made this thread). The new update contains more information about the situation.
This is an important distinction, and I'll make sure it is the first thing in this post so that the circumstances are clear. Sanitee and I have both received one permanent ban before for running VZipFlip, a tool we use to read copies of the files. As we now know, it literally cannot modify the game itself, it is incapable of making successful forgeries of Vindictus HFS files, and I am not sure that it ever could to begin with. My main notice explains more about the details of this.
On January 18th, Sanitee was permanently banned a second time. She is very very nearly certain it was not running (it's obvious when the Windows Command Prompt is open), yet Nexon says they detected VZipFlip and banned her for it. Since Nexon isn't a fully credible source here, and Sanitee is not infallible, I cannot say for sure if this is true or not. What I can say is that regardless of if it is or isn't, Sanitee's current permanent ban is the result of a VZipFlip detection, either in her previous unjust ban or in her current. Thus, since Nexon thinks they were justified in banning for this, the topic of the issue is now this: Is VZipFlip a hacking tool?
Nexon currently considers VZipFlip a hack tool. This is (I believe, speculating) because they believe that it can modify the HFS files, and thus hack Vindictus. It is not capable of this. The only capability it has is to unpack them for the purpose of reading files: datamining. So what is Nexon's policy on datamining, now that it is relevant? Well...
Nexon policy overall is baffling and confounding on datamining. VindictusDB was one of the earliest official Fan Sites, and was literally a pure data dump of datamining. Despite the blatant fact that it is pure datamining, it was an official Fan Site right up until it closed due to a lack of traffic. Vindictus Wiki, the only official Fan Site as of their revamp of their own site, relies on datamined information for enemy stats, item icons, and the skill rank information for ranks beyond what are currently enabled.
Vindictus Inn and CoronaPlease were blacklisted for having datamined information, and Sanitee was threatened with a permanent forum ban by the VFM for having posted it. However, Vindictus Inn DB, created purely via datamining, was given the green light by Saygo himself directly in a thread advertising it.
In short? I have no goddamn idea what their stance on it is, and I don't think anyone does. Saygo at least clearly acknowledges the good it does, having seen Vindictus Inn DB and given it the all clear, but this simultaneously seems to have been a one-off thing that isn't normal policy. I do not understand them.
If datamining is allowed when its goal is to help players, then suddenly Vindictus Inn (and all of its add-ons such as her DB), and Vindictus Manual would both immediately become "allowed" Fan Sites, even if not officially recognized. This would be a huge step from the previous situation where both were literally blacklisted on the same list as MPGH.
Later today, I plan to send a ticket clearly and concisely explaining VZipFlip's capabilities and limitations, and all of the implications involved in allowing it or not allowing it. I will be requesting that it no longer be flagged by BlackCipher as an unauthorized program, due to the fact that it is harmless to the game.
I will update this post as well as make a new post as more information arises on this. The invisible rule set that the VFM say exists claims that we cannot directly post full logs of responses we get from Customer Support, so I will summarize just the answers I get, and not name names or give excess details.
I hope for a positive reply, but my honest expectation is more of Nexon sticking their fingers in their ears as if that makes the issue stop existing.
But what are your thoughts on this all? I should have made a thread here the day it happened, instead of using the awkward updating I was doing to my site's notice.
I want you to be aware very early on though: If you post intentional disinformation here I will remove your post immediately. This is not the Nexon NA forums, trolls will not be allowed to derail serious topics.
As a last note before jumping into it, please read the notice on my site first. This post assumes that you have read it (and it was updated with a Jan 29 update at the same time as I made this thread). The new update contains more information about the situation.
The center of the issue is now VZipFlip, not Sanitee's unjust second permanent ban
This is an important distinction, and I'll make sure it is the first thing in this post so that the circumstances are clear. Sanitee and I have both received one permanent ban before for running VZipFlip, a tool we use to read copies of the files. As we now know, it literally cannot modify the game itself, it is incapable of making successful forgeries of Vindictus HFS files, and I am not sure that it ever could to begin with. My main notice explains more about the details of this.
On January 18th, Sanitee was permanently banned a second time. She is very very nearly certain it was not running (it's obvious when the Windows Command Prompt is open), yet Nexon says they detected VZipFlip and banned her for it. Since Nexon isn't a fully credible source here, and Sanitee is not infallible, I cannot say for sure if this is true or not. What I can say is that regardless of if it is or isn't, Sanitee's current permanent ban is the result of a VZipFlip detection, either in her previous unjust ban or in her current. Thus, since Nexon thinks they were justified in banning for this, the topic of the issue is now this: Is VZipFlip a hacking tool?
Current Policy
Nexon currently considers VZipFlip a hack tool. This is (I believe, speculating) because they believe that it can modify the HFS files, and thus hack Vindictus. It is not capable of this. The only capability it has is to unpack them for the purpose of reading files: datamining. So what is Nexon's policy on datamining, now that it is relevant? Well...
Nexon policy overall is baffling and confounding on datamining. VindictusDB was one of the earliest official Fan Sites, and was literally a pure data dump of datamining. Despite the blatant fact that it is pure datamining, it was an official Fan Site right up until it closed due to a lack of traffic. Vindictus Wiki, the only official Fan Site as of their revamp of their own site, relies on datamined information for enemy stats, item icons, and the skill rank information for ranks beyond what are currently enabled.
Vindictus Inn and CoronaPlease were blacklisted for having datamined information, and Sanitee was threatened with a permanent forum ban by the VFM for having posted it. However, Vindictus Inn DB, created purely via datamining, was given the green light by Saygo himself directly in a thread advertising it.
In short? I have no goddamn idea what their stance on it is, and I don't think anyone does. Saygo at least clearly acknowledges the good it does, having seen Vindictus Inn DB and given it the all clear, but this simultaneously seems to have been a one-off thing that isn't normal policy. I do not understand them.
If datamining is allowed when its goal is to help players, then suddenly Vindictus Inn (and all of its add-ons such as her DB), and Vindictus Manual would both immediately become "allowed" Fan Sites, even if not officially recognized. This would be a huge step from the previous situation where both were literally blacklisted on the same list as MPGH.
My Current Goal
Later today, I plan to send a ticket clearly and concisely explaining VZipFlip's capabilities and limitations, and all of the implications involved in allowing it or not allowing it. I will be requesting that it no longer be flagged by BlackCipher as an unauthorized program, due to the fact that it is harmless to the game.
I will update this post as well as make a new post as more information arises on this. The invisible rule set that the VFM say exists claims that we cannot directly post full logs of responses we get from Customer Support, so I will summarize just the answers I get, and not name names or give excess details.
I hope for a positive reply, but my honest expectation is more of Nexon sticking their fingers in their ears as if that makes the issue stop existing.
But what are your thoughts on this all? I should have made a thread here the day it happened, instead of using the awkward updating I was doing to my site's notice.